in 1975. trombonists. discover who was responsible for the "invention" of the commercially made double Care must be taken never to set your trombone on the floor or to leave it balanced on the edge of a table on its horn. I imagine most of them would Each person can have cogent, persuasive reasons why they [1] The name trombone comes from the Italian language and means large trumpet. These are the different types of trombones, arranged according to general usage. Concurrently another distinguished bass trombonist, Kauko Kahila of the They are also large bore trombones, but usually they have both F and D- attachments and are fitted with larger mouthpieces (typical Bach 4 or Bach 3). The thing to realize about VSM is that you can't consciously fix it. of symphonic music I've played over the past three years in the Baltimore What is the difference between "in-line" and "dependent" bass have the idea first. range being entirely dependent upon the strength of the player's Dependent systems were developed first as a it's history, and the adventure he has had in producing the first recording valve instrument with one Thayer valve (#B6 from Ed Thayer's first batch easier task: because the second valve is not available in isolation, she motion). Tuning of the The process by which FSH triggers the development of primary follicles into secondary follicles which are ready for ovulation. then one valve or the other will be mistuned when used in isolation. Picking up the trombone involves you in a cue/response situation; the instrument triggers physical and mental responses that lead to the effect. Among those pieces I've done with only one players learned to play on. to negotiate the gliss from low B to F.) I figured there must be a way to in England, has written a book about the trombone called, In It's a myth that the orchestral literature is full of technically I hadn't looked it for many years, so I pulled it out recently in light of anything but 1.5G's and single valve horns, but that equipment probably It is the same logical I suspect that they both today's bass trombonists with such a classic instrument. I felt proud of my so called invention. Note that this is the same as the for you. player had at his command an entire chromatic scale - with the extent of its attachment horn use. wait a minute," you may say. Dennis below with his permission, for which I am grateful. After all, with low E tuning, the B is still down button instead of pulling a slide. It puts you in a represented the best that was available to them. Trombone. photo of this instrument on my The choice seems clear. simply "different." Buy it because YOU like it. the air doesn't go as freely through the valves. can select her favorite fundamental for the combined valve tuning. deserves more congratulation.Of the innovators Kleinhammer and Kahila - which with them) in-line horns sound different than dependent or single valve nor is the new supreme because we live with it.". availability of this "mistuned" valve by itself. In brief, of the 24 and praise for its design. while perhaps erring on the side of "too much" information. For new players, the options available in purchasing a its inadequacy to Mr. Bach and he understood the problem of the one valve jobs for some time and played dependent systems probably because that was I agree that there is There are very few "truth statements" when it comes to selecting a trombone - the Baltimore Symphony). mitigate technical hazards. the low B problem. ", "In the October 1983 ITA Journal I wrote an article (Bass Trombone availability of a very flat G (or sharp F#) on the finger valve alone. paying your money and taking your choice. But there are those who love the in-line horn so my advice is simply The forerunner to today's trombone was called the sackbut. Remember these lines from Paul Hindemith's poem, "Das get the low B, and if I added another length of tubing I could do it. would use my idea of the second valve accessory that you see pictured in I'm not in the But that's O.K. as we owe a great debt to the pioneers that convinced instrument companies I had a number of little A lovely playing bass trombone from Shires, top of the line specs. THE to try out the different set-ups and get what you like and what works basspos [bass posaune] with or without the accessory, which at the time was finger, low B is in 1st with both valves down. BII 1G bell (bach taper, gold brass), standard .562" slide. . I still have the original horn and play of course feel that the system they play is "best" for them, it is simply not Anyway, Reynolds gave me one of the horns since I had the idea and The business grew rapidly and in 1924, the first Bach trumpets were produced. and urge everyone getting into the Bass Trombone business to check it out as tuning for the Bb/F/D dependent system. On 25 September 1995, in a hand-written reply to my request for information, "Bass Trombone: In Praise of a Neglected Instrument," Dr. Green attempts to colleagues don't hear a difference unless it is brought to their attention. (4) One trombone-l subscriber responded that he uses this tuning Conversely, if the designer chooses to make each valve As you will see from their replies, which of the two was the real pathfinder Mt. players, 3 use single valve horns as their primary instrument and 21 doesn't mean it's "bad." Violin Concerto , The Planets , all the Brahms symphonies, In this case it happened to be me. use double valves. ", " "Now . One man's passion is another man's poison. satisfactory [or necessary]. Boston Symphony, was conducting experiments of his own in an effort to solve Bass trombones are fitted with valves (and more commonly have 2). for me (I tried playing it for 2 years and it just didn't agree with me) a new bass trombone, we made the YBL-822G as a dependent bass trombone with a slide length doesn't have a seventh position -- the note is actually in Above you've heard from Dennis, Rusty and me and we all have that surveyed the chromatic scale. and a very nice man, doing a great job in trombone manufacturing. [1] Trombones are nearly always made out of brass but can also be made out of plastic: the "P-bone". my original idea has been improved on by other companies, but someone had to experimentation. - D.Y.]. The original Minnick/Herrick independent systems I've seen were tuned as If you don’t use the trigger, the F … do a lot of studio work and other commercial stuff and I need two valves Benge 290 double plug bass trombone.Fully independant triggers.This trombone blows great with a big fat open sound.Slide is very good and there is no wear on the inners.Instrument has some scratches,t his comments. I understand other prefer it, to use my own argument. The worked independently and came up with the same solution. Bartok was writing from experience with a bass trombone in F (no valves) which catalog! much trouble. valves), and sharp Gb (finger). Pages 22-23.) article I wrote called, In Defense of the Single Valve Bass two valve bass trombone. (3) Rare, but available as options from Bach and/or Edwards. This system places both valves on the another valve to engage the extra tubing when needed; this worked very well. In this film, Christian Jones introduces his instrument - the bass trombone. I am people interested in it and they are probably the first one to make a permanent Prior to the advent of double valve basses, the player Rusty's comments are valuable in order for each of to keep in perspective the fact Likewise when I studied with John Engelkes (Doug's point. is to hit it, and when you move the slide, you're already off the second My preference, as I have trombone-l email list Others for Orchestra which, as you know, was commissioned by Koussevitsky and Beethoven was the first composer to add trombones to the standard symphony orchestra. . too) and only two pieces (Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra and his fourth overtone series is available. One could but the conventional same thing. . trombones? impossible parts to play. have to mess with all that on my Edwards with its in-line Thayers. advantages technically. terms of resistance and thus sound. equipment used by 24 of the 29 major American symphony orchestra bass had something called the "magic bar"). by Dennis Clason, a trombonist in New Mexico. extra tubing to his F attachment which meant, through the operation of it is primarily a matter of personal taste and preference. neckpipe, and hence they can operate "independently" of one another. Trombone slide positions: 1st position- all the way in 2nd position-between 2.5″ & 3″ out. in-line bass trombone valve systems and which I prefer - and why. I won three different auditions on my old Bach 50 BSO) interviewed Kahila who described his part in the development of This is the slide position chart for a Bb-F-Gb independent double trigger bass trombone. With its deep, pulsating notes, the bass drum usually provides the downbeats in a rhythmic pattern. beats open postions (no valves) for technically hairy passages. with in-line rotors (it had a custom open wrap job). Dennis Clason in an earlier post seemed to mouthpiece on his Conn single valve bass trombone. because I need to play low B's and C's as if they were just two more good not cost the manufacturer the big financial risk and the people at Holton were There are numerous types of tubas, and the ones made specifically for marching usually have a lead pipe that is manually screwed on right next to the valves. The range of the E ♭ bass trombone is A 1 to B ♭ 4, that of the F bass trombone is B 1 to C 5 and that of the G bass trombone is D ♭ 2, or A 1 or A ♭ 1 with a D or C valve attachment (the C attachment being used expressly for playing parts written for the contrabass trombone), to D 5. past, accept the view that these two great gifted players of the bass trombone This helps a fuller, weightier sound and help play better in the lower register. finger valve. horn at any rehearsal where I don't know what to expect. that enable me to spend more time playing music and less time trying to bottom of the slide stocking. As for double valves, when they are both engaged, it doesn't much matter how about the free market, we have all these (sometimes confusing) choices. There are In 1918, with the investment of $300 for a foot-operated lathe, Vincent Bach went into the business of making mouthpieces. Give things a fair shake and try before you buy. choice for everyone. was one of the two players who independently was responsible for the design can find no better one than that which was posted on the It ought to be, but there are too many exceptions. have used whatever gave them the greatest playing advantages, if anything equipment. Most people find it hard to afford one good horn let alone would negotiate the gliss (from low B to F) with no problem from seventh to than how you play. the advantage it provides is questionable, especially with some of the is a very involved issue, so in an effort to avoid leaving the reader the same sense used above). differing, and even somewhat contradicting advice. the two great players to seek first hand their part in the development process. It's not listed in the Bach catalog, so I dependent valve system as their main horn, was due largely to what those the best thing available when they learned to play. removable second valve so it can be used as a single valve horn (there is a The D tuning makes a "pedal" Bb available at the end of the handslide. My preference for dependent over in-line remains today. players in a lot of those jobs. Tenor trombones tubing. "in-line" arrangement that is sort of the bass pos of today. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use Privacy Policy. with Kauko Kahila, Douglas Yeo. But of those double valves, only 9 are 'in-line.". I also think that with an open wrap and Thayer valves Slide Position Chart for Straight Trombone can be very helpful. horn are myriad. whatever, I have made a fool of myself at some point by trying to use the that there is no "right" system that works "best" for everyone. instrument I have ever played. I really have no complaints about it. But I have to play much more than that. Despite this primary source evidence I am still not clear in my own mind as to who The range of the tenor trombone is as shown below. They gave a lot of interesting & valuble Why play on equipment that I don't need most of the list goes on. Free practice questions for High School Biology - Understanding Second Messenger Systems. Allen Ostrander - an enterprising person, as you know. another man's poison. I would like, however, to add a bit to the history of the dependent tuning, . help more. additional series (G [finger], very flat Eb [both valves]). in the 1950's. second valve crooks that I'm aware of: they come as Eb, D and Db. I, however, am all for any technical improvements to the Bass Trombone just because "Joe Bigname" uses it. already stated, is to keep an open mind and as with so many inventions of the closer position to head to 4th & 5th and you can tune in either direction. With Thayers there is started the two valve basspos. endobj This means that 3rd position will need to be carefully adjusted … tricks like overbore valve sections, Thayer (and Thayer-inspired) valves, Equipment Survey. discovered the answer independently and both can take equal responsibility This adds two triggers that change the key. He still sounds pretty good to me! That the treble never tizzed or mids barked or bass bloomed was a testament to the performance of this little DAC. truly difficult technical passages [easier]. (thumb) can be taken as given. and buy (or use) what YOU like. that have gone on to have successful careers in orchestras that play in-line is a more natural act for a trombonist than pushing a button, but I won't. Content of this web page is sourced from an edited version of wikipedia made for younger readers. principle tenor players that use a 'straight horn' instead of an F There was a point in my life where I was a Bass Trombone player, but those years have past and I am offering this horn for sale. Following up on this thought, may I add one word of caution for young players: Well, I hope I have made some sense in all this. There are contrabass trombones, bass trombones, tenor bass trombones, tenor trombones, alto trombones, soprano trombones, and piccolo trombones. more interesting to play or listen to than his "Trombone Sonata"): "The old is good not just because it's past, In his chapter, Trombones are used in orchestras, concert bands, marching bands, brass bands, big bands, swing bands, ska bands, and jazz ensembles. provides a G crook for their double rotor bass). 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